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Jordan Stevenson as well

Amazing Zach didnt even know he beat his wife! Wow!

He didn't misspeak. He explicitly denied any 2015 incident having happened. This is PR Lying 101. That press release should be used in classes that teaches people to make press releases to deny wrongdoing and obfuscate/distract/engage in damage control. Best case he's a liar. Medium case, he did know about the incident, and reported it, while continuing to employ a coach that he knew had a history of several abuse allegations. Worst case, all of that is true plus he didn't report it. He might keep his job, but he's lost all credibility.

Actually Kansas is 0-1.. They are so bad they actually got a loss at their spring game.

I saw the title of the thread and went, "omg, NOT AGAIN!!"

We're 0-0, which is exactly what I thought we'd be on August 3rd.

I can bench-press a house, with the Barbies still in it and everything.

He just lied about lying. He wasnt caught off guard at B1G media days. He was a c$%ky SOB that tried to put Brett McMurphy in his place not thinking Brett would be able to get to the bottom of it. This looks like Urban trying to negotiate a buyout in my opinion. Hes saying it wasnt me it was someone higher up the chain that let this happen. I did my job etc. He would have been better off in the public eye by keeping his mouth shut for now.

This seems to be a trend here, only from Powell, OH PD: https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2018/08/records_show_history_of_domest.html This is all after the 2009 incident in Florida where Smith was actually taken into custody which Meyer already mentioned knowing about. It was only after McMurphy's first report in July did they actually fire Smith. They had issued a statement before that stating something like "We will not discuss this internal peronal matter", but kept him employed. You ask if he should fire Zach Smith for one alleged incident, maybe not. But there is a long history here leading up to that incident. For a man that tells anyone who will listen how much integrity he has, I can't understand why he didn't fire Smith sooner if he actually had some integrity like he claims. Or why he even hired him at Ohio State after what the guy did in Florida.

Brett McMurphy is absolutely savage in all of this. Not only does he give ESPN a big middle finger by continuing to get paid by them, while reporting on his own and breaking the biggest story of cfb (this year? so far? idk) on Facebook, but he's also completely RKOing Zach Smith and everyone involved. Zach claims he never abused his wife? Brett posts receipts of Zach acknowledging that he abused his wife.

I would love to see Ohio State's defense not execute against Frost's offense.

Yes, I should probably apologize for being old enough to actually remember when the Cornhuskers actually played football. There are many on this board who have only read or heard about it.

As a corp credit mgr for a manufacturing company I occasionally get these updates on the state of the economy based the perspectives of credit mgmt. A couple of items of note in the report copied in part below: 1. The tax cut 'benefit' is slowly loosing its bunch. 2. The economy growth from the last quarter was boosted by tariff fears. I expect slower growth next quarter. I'm not an economist, nor do I play one on TV, but tariff threats and increasing tariffs is no way to build an economy. I also believe we are beyond the point where tax cuts can add real long term value to the economy. It may have worked for JFK and Reagan during high tax eras but it didn't work for GWB (with all of his big spending) and it won't be sustainable under Trump. My tax reduction has already been eaten up by rising gas prices. https://bcm.nacm.org/index.php/enews#1 Looking at the service sector, sales dropped significantly by about five points, but the score is at 65.3—a decent reading. This sector also saw a jump in new credit applications, likely due to retail stores building up inventory for the upcoming shopping season.

I wanted Scott Frost here as much as anyone, maybe even started a thread to that effect. I wanted him here when Riley was hired. I posted many times how fast schools with tradition turn it around when they make the correct hire. I once said, and still mean it, that I'd fire Scott Frost after year 3 if he hadn't made the kind of progress necessary to achieve our goals. That's the kind of pace these turnarounds take, and I fully realize that. I will admit, I'm still surprised at the place we are at, currently, hours away from the first fall camp of Scott Frost's tenure. I say that because of how exhaustive the change has been. Sites like this one, where we've all taken a new leaf. The fans, administration, faculty, support staff...everyone is working towards making this thing work. From what we know of the spring and the summer, the culture has changed almost overnight. Then there is the roster. Lots of new talent, and massive buy-in from returners. Players stepping up to take charge. This doesn't feel like Year 1. It's not Year 2, either, something in between. The expectations I normally would have for a Year 1 staff are much too low, though, and the players in today's press conference just reiterated that. If they had the kind of summer it sounds like they may have had, and we may have an answer for that by the time the next press conference hits, then hang onto your hats. I'm not prone to hyperbole, but I can't sleep at night. September can't get here soon enough.

Here's a short video from practice today. http://www.huskers.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?clip=5895844&db_oem_id=100 and some photos: http://www.huskers.com/PhotoAlbum.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=100&PALBID=2203087&KEY=

Ohio State had to can Tressel for covering a few players taking improper benefits. But apparently some think Meyer can keep his job after covering for a guy on his staff beating his wife, and then lying about knowing about it (which he just admitted to)? I mean, step back for a second. Getting a few tattoos, versus years of domestic violence. I don't know about the rest of you, but I know which one I would consider the greater crime. What's really f#&%ed up is that Ohio State might have only fired Sweater Vest because they knew NCAA sanctions against him were coming (at one point the university president publicly said they weren't going to fire him), but Meyer could conceivably hold onto his job simply because this matter probably won't result in any sanctions from the NCAA.

Theory (RE: Meyer's statement): They won't be able to find documentation about him reporting the abuse, they'll blame the Title IX people who were fired. Then this'll be over.

Can't wait to hear him explain the pictures and texts she sent to other coaches wives who were on her side.

Good. I hope the NRA in its current form ceases to exist. It is the worst form of political lobby. Nobody likes special interest groups having too much sway, and that's exactly what the NRA has turned into.

Darn Ayyyy Homes

I fixed it for you.

I am surprised that we are a month away from games. I can remember sitting at Dinkers and scarffing down an amazing burger as the news came over the screen that Frost was going to be the new coach. Now here we are and I can't wait. It has been a long time since I have been more excited about the football than the tailgating/bars...but finally I am. Plus it is nice to finally have (almost) all posters realize what a joke of a hire Riley was.

Wait, but what if he made some adjustments in order to stop us from running the same thing over and over?

what happened to this guy? i'm starting to think he is the prostitute trump is giving a golden shower to in the tape

I know an outside run play that can ensure that doesn't happen.

An independent board with current trustees? Ummm

You know you messed up when a Paterno comes to your defense.

So you're going to believe that Urban knows about the situation and never discusses with Shelley, his wife, who is considered the First Lady of Ohio State? The same lady who has texts conversations that could easily be shown to Urban? If that is the case, the absolute ignorance and neglect of a fellow football coach's wife getting beat to s#!t should get them all relieved of their duties.

I took a glance at OSU's Title IX policy, and their standard of proof for investigations of policy violations is the preponderance of the evidence. In other words, they would only have to find that it is more likely than not (a 51% probability of guilt, if that makes sense) that a policy was violated in order to take action. The proof does not have to be any more convincing than that. Unless the text messages are faked, it is simply implausible that Urban didn't know about all this stuff. There is no way to prove that he didn't know. Therefore, he failed in his duty to report, in violation of both the University's policy and his specific contract. Maybe if OSU wasn't already knee-deep in Title IX problems prior to this would the be able to wiggle out of it, but I don't see that happening. 1. They've already set their own precedent when they fired Tressel for being dishonest about lesser offenses. 2. They are already under the microscope for the issue with the wrestling team, the dead doctor, and the wackadoo Congressman. 3. OSU was already embarrassed by their marching band scandal about 4 years ago 4. They fired their whole Title IX office just last month for mishandling cases 5. Other college sports scandals involving sexual misconduct are still fresh in the publics' minds, not to mention the #metoo movement. This was the last thing OSU needed. Urban's gotta be gone.

I would just like to know right now the top things Riley continues to LOVE about this team. But I bet number one is that big NU paycheck.

Well, in my defense, the last 3 years are in a fog to me

You did math wrong

Exactly. I'm not buying a castle to become a stinkin' landlord. I need so much room for activities.

Done deal according to my sources

That's probably the best idea for him; plus, it'd be great to have fresh legs running the ball in November.

All we'd have to do is mimick Wisconsin's offense and we'd win 70-14 every time.

This specifically is completely unsubstantiated hearsay. Might be true, but there's no actual evidence of such a claim - there's plenty that his workaholicism was destroying his body. Anyways, the LP scenario isn't one that needs much comparing. That was all in the public, and TO didn't lie or cover anything up, nor did he make any objectively 'wrong' decisions at least not without hindsight. The scenario that is more interesting to compare is the cases of Riley Washington and Tyrone Williams. Osborne didn't necessarily try to cover them up, but he interviewed witnesses himself, spoke publicly about whether or not his players were innocent before they stood trial, had an assistant "hide"/lock a gun away and other behaviors that today, if the coach for any other elite program engaged in, we wouldn't give them an ounce of benefit of the doubt. Lancaster County Attorney Gary Lacey - "That's Osborne using his influence to disrupt the criminal justice system," Lacey says. "Osborne talks to witnesses. Whether he tried to influence them or not ... someone with his reputation would have an effect." Now, as far as the LP thing, according to an SI article back then Osborne was allegedly aware that Phillips was abusive for some time before the incident at Frost's apartment. https://www.si.com/vault/1995/09/25/206647/coach-and-jury-nebraska-players-charged-with-crimes-have-a-steadfast-ally-in-the-man-who-runs-the-program-tom-osborne

This entire thing has had a narrative framed from the start assuming Meyer needs fired. We've skipped the process entirely. Let it play out, get all the facts on the table and then take appropriate action. We as societies invented complex systems of governing ourselves because lynch mobs were a problem, why in the Internet age are we reverting.

I don't care if they put zip codes or their social security numbers on their helmets as long as they get back to playing football.

Entitled? No way. I think he's guilty as hell. But I think they agree to a buyout to make this go away as quickly and quietly as possible.

Here's the problem with all the excuses that are being through about, whether Urban saw them or not. Taken from McMurphy's report: Lindsey is the wife of Brian Voltolini, considered one of Meyer’s most loyal staff members. Brian is Ohio State’s football operations director and has been part of Meyer’s staffs for 15 seasons at Bowling Green, Utah, Florida and Ohio State. Courtney: “(Zach’s) trying to make me look crazy bc that’s what Shelley is saying (he’s doing)” Lindsey: “He (Urban) just said he (Zach) denied everything” Courtney: “I hope urban is smarter than that” Lindsey: “He (Urban) doesn’t know what to think” Courtney: “I don’t really care. Ya know” Lindsey: “Yeah, don’t worry about urb” Urban saw the text messages and was aware of the situation. If you can't comprehend that, I will steal a line from Courtney and say I hope you are smarter than that. He covered it up. That is a fact. This isn't about policing. I think this whole ordeal wouldn't have been an issue if Urban would've come clean a long time ago. Said we had personal issues we were hoping would be resolved. They weren't and I don't want those type of people coaching my players. Instead, he lied straight to the media's face last week and that is what will ultimately do him in.

I wandered over to an Ohio State board to see their reaction about Meyer and it’s pretty incredible. Most of them were railing against “fake news,” CNN, ESPN and its liberal slant, all members of the media in general, and the witch hunt against Urban Meyer. It was pretty clear they were fans of Trump and it’s amusing because the GOP is the party that loves to claim they’re all for personal accountability, but apparently it’s always the media’s fault.

Clearly this is appearing to be systemic, just like it appeared at Penn State. I believe they are just finding the proper way to fire him with cause to avoid severance. Unless McMurphy can be proven to have made it up, you cannot continue to employ this man. He knew at Florida in 2009 there were already issues/red flags with Zach Smith and did nothing because he could recruit. If they are going to attempt to keep him, they are fools and will have a University wide problem on their hands then. Especially with something like this right through the front door:

Every Ohio State fan claiming Meyer didn't know about Smith hitting his wife should go back and see what they said about Michigan State and Nassar, and Penn State and Sandusky. It's hard to be objective toward something you love.

Turn down for Watt

To not cover up for his assistants illicit behavior, numbskull.