Penn State Scandal Thread

[Creed]

would you consider this worse than a two year death penalty? harder to recover from?

 

So if 30 or so kids leave (not an unrealistic number) in the next week or so, how do they field a team in 38 days with 50-something kids? Would they cancel this season? Next year say 20 graduate another 5-10 leave and only 15 scholarships to bring new kids on. That is only 40 something kids unless they get some walk-ons. Cancel 2013 season?

[WoodyHayes1951]

So when PSU vacates wins does that mean the win goes to the other team?? If so I wonder if tOSU passed NU on the total wins list? We were two ahead of them at the #5 spot. We lost to PSU once during the vacated period, in 2002.

 

 

 

Okay, before anyone says anything about this not mattering--I realize wins/losses pales in comparison to the crimes that were committed.

 

 

 

 

Nope. we still have the loss on our records, they just don't have the win on their records.

[Muck]

So when PSU vacates wins does that mean the win goes to the other team?? .

 

Nope. Only if they were forfeited.

[knapplc]

would you consider this worse than a two year death penalty? harder to recover from?

 

So if 30 or so kids leave (not an unrealistic number) in the next week or so, how do they field a team in 38 days with 50-something kids? Would they cancel this season? Next year say 20 graduate another 5-10 leave and only 15 scholarships to bring new kids on. That is only 40 something kids unless they get some walk-ons. Cancel 2013 season?

 

They have 85 on scholarship, but another 20-30 walk-ons (or more). They'll have a team - just not a very good one.

 

But I don't think they'll lose that many guys. That's a lot of guys to decide they don't want to suit up there anymore. If they stay they'll be heroes to the fans. I'm guessing most stay.

[Moiraine]

would you consider this worse than a two year death penalty? harder to recover from?

 

So if 30 or so kids leave (not an unrealistic number) in the next week or so, how do they field a team in 38 days with 50-something kids? Would they cancel this season? Next year say 20 graduate another 5-10 leave and only 15 scholarships to bring new kids on. That is only 40 something kids unless they get some walk-ons. Cancel 2013 season?

 

I'm assuming they have more than enough walk-ons to have a team. It would just be a very crappy team. Even if they don't have that many walk-ons, I can see there being enough 18-22 year old semi-athletic guys attending Penn State who are willing to walk on now that they know they'd have a chance of being on the team.

[irafreak]

People are making too big a deal out of this transfer stuff. Penn state will have no problem fielding a competent team. We're not talking about Florida Atlantic. You can figure the second and third stringers would be able to start at a lot of lesser schools and they now have the opportunity to shine against quality competition. Plus it's a lot of work to move.

[Notre Dame Joe]

So when PSU vacates wins does that mean the win goes to the other team?? If so I wonder if tOSU passed NU on the total wins list? We were two ahead of them at the #5 spot. We lost to PSU once during the vacated period, in 2002.

 

 

 

Okay, before anyone says anything about this not mattering--I realize wins/losses pales in comparison to the crimes that were committed.

 

 

 

 

Nope. we still have the loss on our records, they just don't have the win on their records.

 

yep. this is da truth.

 

Otherwise Charlie Weis would have 3 vacated wins vs USC, UNC, and PSU. plus UM got probation and anOSU barely missed his tenure. At this rate he could asterisk his way into a school record.

[4skers89]

PSU fans on that scout message board have gone off the deep end. They are blaming ESPN and threatening to cancel there ESPN and BTN subscription lol.....yeah good luck with that see if they care

 

Some of the chuckleheads are no longer going to support PSU. NCAAs corrective measures are already working - FACT

 

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=157&f=1395&t=9166693

[Hooked on Huskers]

Just wondering.......Sandusky is aware for the latest news i.e. removed statue, PSU penalties, etc.???

 

I assumed Sandusky is spending jail time......

[Husker John]

PSU fans on that scout message board have gone off the deep end. They are blaming ESPN and threatening to cancel there ESPN and BTN subscription lol.....yeah good luck with that see if they care

 

Typical reaction from the cult of Joe Paterno

[Foppa]

Just wondering.......Sandusky is aware for the latest news i.e. removed statue, PSU penalties, etc.???

 

I assumed Sandusky is spending jail time......

 

They have newspapers and TV in jail.

[Malth]

Desmond Howard had a great response to all the "the NCAA decision hurts people who had nothing to do with the scandal"

Current players can leave and play immediately, future recruits can choose to go elsewhere, even Coach OBrien can probably leave.

The real people who were hurt were all the kids who were victimized by Sandusky because Paterno and Spanier (Chancelor "vulnerable") and others did nothing.

What a lot of people seem to forget is every NCAA sanction hurts the innocent. This situation is clearly outside the realm of what the NCAA has handed down sanctions for in the past, but the general idea is the same. A few people screwed up, and now an entire program has to pay. Is it fair to all parties concerned? No. But like I said, in most of these situations, fairness isn't the priority. It's about sending a message and making an example.

 

Furthermore, as you pointed out, the real people who were hurt were those that suffered from Sandusky's pedophilia. The sanctions do nothing to rectify the physical and emotional damage that's be done to those kids. People keep saying "how does this help the kids who were hurt?" It doesn't, and it wasn't supposed to. This was about making a statement to other football programs.

 

 

This goes beyond current players and future recruits. This goes beyond the football program. It's going to negatively impact other sports, the academic side, the community, employees, etc. Misbehaving programs should be punished, but as much care as possible should be used to contain it to just the individual program, and the actual people involved. Too often, the main offenders are barely affected. Think Pete Carroll.

 

And I also have a little trouble without seeing this as a golden oppurtunity for the NCAA to come out and look "tough" when they're so ineffectual at dealing with anything else that goes on in the league. They can feel free to pile on, and anyone who cries foul becomes a pedo-enabler.

[shyndy]

Just proves that you don't put up statues of people that are still a part of this world.

 

err, we have a statue of Osborne in front of our stadium.

[VectorVictor]

PSU fans on that scout message board have gone off the deep end. They are blaming ESPN and threatening to cancel there ESPN and BTN subscription lol.....yeah good luck with that see if they care

 

Some of the chuckleheads are no longer going to support PSU. NCAAs corrective measures are already working - FACT

 

http://mbd.scout.com...=1395&t=9166693

 

I love how they're trying to vilify Rodney Erickson for taking the deal and not appealing.

 

Don't the PSU fans realize that the last thing they need is the NCAA snooping around even further into this, especially if the quid pro quo slush-fund for silence rumors from Sandusky's Second Mile Organization are to be believed?

[NUance]

Now that Penn State and tOSU both have bowl sanctions it would be possible for a team to go 4-4 in B1G play, or worse, and still make the Rose Bowl. (That is, if they won the CCG). Look at Purdue last year sitting in third at 4-4. LINK. If that was tOSU and PSU ahead of them Purdue would've played in the CCG for a chance to go to Pasedena.