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4 minutes ago, deedsker said:

Which to me means that all previous criteria must be met. Criteria 1, criteria 2, and criteria 3 must all be hit to have such effect.

 

If the word was "or", I would be as scared as you.

 

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If it would say (previous criteria) “and is a publicly traded company” I would agree with you. 

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1 hour ago, Huskerzoo said:

 

Or it would help people like me who got their PhD, are ~200,000 in debt, did so under the understanding that there was public loan forgiveness, have had that loan forgiveness potentially taken away from me, work hard at a job but still have to pay an extra mortgage for my education. 

 

Yes, there are people who do dumb things, but some of those pretend universities are run by the POTUS. And no, the money is not free money. It's coming out of a tax levied on Wall street that is projected to make .2 trillion dollars more than forgiveness of loans would cost. 

 

This is without a doubt wealth redistribution of sorts. And there are a chunk of people who would be hit hardest by it who support it: https://www.businessinsider.com/billionaires-asking-for-wealth-tax-americans-disney-soros-buffett-dalio

 

This isn't pretend free college. 

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7 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

If it would say (previous criteria) “and is a publicly traded company” I would agree with you. 

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22,000 companies in America 

You would appear to be right. I guess I am not totally on board with this, either.

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38 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

I’m fine discussing employee issues.
 

But forcing an owner to give away stock in his company is something I will not ever be able to support. 
 

It’s absolutely mind blowing that it’s even being discussed as a legitimate option by a leading candidate for President.  

This!!

 

I really don't think that Bernie supporters support this either but just like the Trump Cult the Bernie Cult is just sort of saying they agree.

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52 minutes ago, Frott Scost said:

 

My mouth just dropped reading this.  That is absolutely insane!

 Unfortunately I’m used to it. This is why it blows me away when people say they are even remotely happy with their current deal.  Unbelievably my premiums actually went down about $200 per month this year. First time I can ever remember them going down. Colorado adopted something to help the Obamacare premiums. Last year it was about $27,000 total premium. And it’s not what many (or any) would consider a good plan. It’s bronze level with a deductible that is about $5500 per person (2 person max) so basically the first $11,000 in care comes out of my pocket. And we’ve maxed it out 2 of the last 3 years. We’d be super screwed without it though. My wife was in the hospital last year for 3 procedures, 5 days. I lost count on all the bills when they hit about $200k total. And it wasn’t anything exotic; hiatal hernia, gall bladder removal and then a GI scope to get some gall stones they couldn’t access during surgery. It’s just f#&king insane.

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6 minutes ago, JJ Husker said:

 Unfortunately I’m used to it. This is why it blows me away when people say they are even remotely happy with their current deal.  Unbelievably my premiums actually went down about $200 per month this year. First time I can ever remember them going down. Colorado adopted something to help the Obamacare premiums. Last year it was about $27,000 total premium. And it’s not what many (or any) would consider a good plan. It’s bronze level with a deductible that is about $5500 per person (2 person max) so basically the first $11,000 in care comes out of my pocket. And we’ve maxed it out 2 of the last 3 years. We’d be super screwed without it though. My wife was in the hospital last year for 3 procedures, 5 days. I lost count on all the bills when they hit about $200k total. And it wasn’t anything exotic; hiatal hernia, gall bladder removal and then a GI scope to get some gall stones they couldn’t access during surgery. It’s just f#&king insane.

 

Id happily pay more in taxes for universal healthcare and use it when I need it if it means people don't have to go through this s#!t that you just described.

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1 hour ago, Frott Scost said:

He needs to stick to healthcare, education and climate change and stop trying to be a beauty pageant winner and trying to solve every world issue.

 

He's a politician trying to win the presidency. He won't "just stick to _____." He'll try to buy votes wherever he can get them and this is just another avenue.

 

Imagine being so naive as to believe that a company making over 'X' amount of money is "bad," whereas ones earning less than 'X' are not bad. Quite scary if this thinking is something that winds up taking over in the majority of minds of Americans. 

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9 hours ago, Waldo said:

I just hear screaming. 

 

That's too bad.  It flags to an even bigger problem...being uninformed.  Candidates don't scream when they're not at rally's or in debates...they talk.

 

Since you just hear screaming when you hear Bernie, you're not listening to him give normal talks and you're dismissing everything and anything he has to say without becoming informed of his platform.

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6 hours ago, TGHusker said:

:backtotopic      Bernie would be more acceptable if he would not rattle off stuff about Castro, etc.   I do think deep down, when one listens to Bernie's heart on the issues- most would agree that the issues are important... very important. That there are huge injustices and imbalances in the system (I'm starting to sound like a Dem now - maybe a conservative wt a heart) that need to be addressed. You have to be blind and tone deaf not to see/hear it.  However, his plan has to be viable - he's got to pay for it.  On 60 minutes he added universal child care to the tab.  How do we pay for it along wt his version of Medicare for all, free tuition, tuition forgiveness, infrastructure improvement, child care, etc. :dunno:dunno:dunno.    If we drop the military budget to zero and confiscated the combined wealth of all of the top 1% we don't have it all paid for. 

This review below is from  the Committee for Responsible Federal Govt & evaluates  the 2016 campaign proposals and doesn't include some of the new proposals:

 

http://www.crfb.org/papers/adding-senator-sanderss-campaign-proposals-so-far

 

 

 

Guess we should have impeached Obama for the same comments.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Undone said:

Bernie's policies are so anti-liberty that it's hard to know where to even begin dissecting the catastrophe of it all.

 

Forcing a company to do things like this is morally wrong; government has no place in making a mandate like this. This is the pitfall of democracy: Believing that as long as greater than 50% of the population believes a thing should be done that it's ok.

 

We should fight crony capitalism in Washington, but going down this road with the aim of expanding and giving better funding to government programs misses the mark of what a balanced budget should itself fix. 

 

If I understand Bernie's plan correctly - and anyone can correct this if it's off - I believe his 10 year plan costs $97 trillion, of which only $7 trillion will be funded by "government revenue stream." How will my children and their children shoulder the ridiculous weight of this debt expansion?


Uh, no.  The definition of Liberty has nothing to do with social programs and Liberty is not infringed by social programs.

 

Forcing a company that makes 100 million bucks to offer stock options to employees is about making a worker take pride in their work and want to see a company succeed is wrong?

 

You need to go back and look at FDR's New Deal...that was radical.  What Bernie is proposing is small potatoes.  Example of additions to the New Deal in 1933:

 

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The Glass-Steagall Act, which created the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, guaranteeing the savings of average citizens, and prevented commercial banks from engaging in investment banking, which they had been carrying on in scandalous fashion

 

So as you can see, he gutted an entire revenue stream for banks.  Just boom.  Gone.

 

 

What's happening in Washington doesn't work.  It's been on the downward slide for many, many years.  It's good to get someone in the office that cares about the common person....because right now we have a buffoon who has ballooned the national debt to over a TRILLION dollars.  The economy isn't growing the way it should be...farming is shrinking with an 86% rise in bankruptcy in the past 3-4 years.

 

As for funding, how did we fund the last Iraq war?  Wasn't anyone wondering where the money would come from?  Why are we so concerned when it has to do with helping people instead of funding war when we are hurting them?

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2 hours ago, JJ Husker said:

IDK....I’m perfectly fine with taxing the ever loving hell out of these hoarding, greedy, capitalism abusing types but I gotta draw the line at having a policy that simply gives away a share of their company....because things. This one is so ripe with unintended consequences I wouldn’t even know where to begin.

 

Where are you getting that they are giving it away?  People have to buy the shares that the company offers...the company gets ACTUAL MONEY for the shares.  They don't have to give up control...they just have to have some divesting of who has ownership of the company through stock options.  And 20% is NOTHING to a company...most that exist today would ALREADY HIT THAT MARK and then some.  Most wouldn't have to change at all.

 

Disclaimer:  I worked 5 years for an investment bank.  I'm basing this above on my experience.

 

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The Democratic party has a bit of a communist problem, they agree and like a number of policies they implemented. The issue is that a fair number of people that live in this country had a number of their family members killed by communists, me included, although a ways back in my families history. So it ends up being inconsiderate and insensitive to those who have suffered because in their eyes Obama or Sanders Complimenting Castro is one in the same as those two idiots complimenting Hitler for anyone of his policy successes. 

 

Our modern politicians are increasingly history deaf, and it's becoming very alarming.

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16 minutes ago, husker98 said:

The Democratic party has a bit of a communist problem, they agree and like a number of policies they implemented. The issue is that a fair number of people that live in this country had a number of their family members killed by communists, me included, although a ways back in my families history. So it ends up being inconsiderate and insensitive to those who have suffered because in their eyes Obama or Sanders Complimenting Castro is one in the same as those two idiots complimenting Hitler for anyone of his policy successes. 

 

Our modern politicians are increasingly history deaf, and it's becoming very alarming.

 

 

OTOH, I know multiple people, alive and well, who grew up in communist countries and they all want the Democrats to beat Trump.

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1 hour ago, TGHusker said:

  Bernie is trying to do a way wt the bedrock of our society - a capitalistic society that made us great before trump came along.  It is the way we've been the breadbasket of the world, an innovation leader and the world economic leader - which (strong economy) ends up paying for all of our govt social programs.  Fix the evils but don't throw it all away.   Deal wt the corporate welfare and tax issues but the idea of forcing companies to take on 'partners' in the ownership structure is totally contrary to how this country was built.  This plan would be a slippery slope to a place we don't want to end up at.

I think a better plan is to create incentives whereby more individuals feel they can take risks to start companies.  Let the govt develop incubator programs that reward individuals to take those risks, to develop entrepreneur skills, etc.   Level the playing field by removing corp welfare programs that rewards certain established companies and makes entry my new comers more difficult. 

 

Nope.  This post is alarmist and full of misinformation.

 

The United States hasn't been a good country since the 1980's.  Seriously.  We've been failing in all areas since then..schooling, medical, life expectancy, infant mortality rate, etc

 

  • USA is 49th in the world adult literacy tables.
  • USA is 41st in the PISA world rankings for Mathematics.
  • America has 5% of the world’s population, but it generates 20% of the worlds CO².
  • The US is one of the worst for infant mortality of all industrialized nations...even with the supposed best doctors
  • More than half the population of America reject the theory of evolution...which isn't a good thing for advancement of sciences.
  • America has the highest prison populations in the world at just over 2 million (ie. 0.5% of the population) in spite of not having the largest overall population
  • In terms of foreign aid, America is placed 32nd out of the 37 OECD (Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development) nations, with 0.15% of its gross national income. Sweden and Norway top the list with 1.36% and 1.14%. Britain is 6th with 0.67%.
  • Food quality: the USA’s food standards are the worst in the industrialized world. The meats have levels of steroids and antibiotics that wouldn’t be acceptable to other OECD nations, and the US diet is dominated by saturated fats and sugars.
  • The USA’s diabetes rate in 2019 was 10.8% (only Mexico and Turkey were worse). In addition, 35.9% of USA’s population is ‘clinically obese’ (compared with, say France’s 12.9%)
  • Homicide rates are the worst of the industrialized nations.
  • In a recent study of the health of children and young adults in 50 industrialized countries, America was down in 47th place.
  • In terms of access to water and sanitation the US ranks 36th in the world
  • In September 2017, more than one in every eight Americans were living in poverty (40 million, equal to 12.7% of the population). And almost half of those (18.5 million) were living in deep poverty, with reported family income below one-half of the poverty threshold.
  • In the OECD the US ranks 35th out of 37 in terms of poverty and inequality.

 

I'd say we're a LONG way from the top on many things.  And here we are squabbling over a guy who wants to help us get back to the top by educating people, reducing income inequality, and providing social programs to assist people who need help.

 

Oh the horror.

 

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