Interim Head Coach Mickey Joseph

[ActualCornHusker]

3 hours ago, Hilltop said:

What message does that send to the current roster?

 

We have quite a few high 3 star and 4 star players wearing the uniform.  I would like to assume they are capable, just lacking in some development.  Shouldn't the message be we need time instead?

 

If you listen to the context, it wasn't in reference to the current players. The reporter from SI said it was a comment made during a recruiting meeting when Mickey asked if one recruit an assistant was talking about is a day one starter, and then said "We need f-ing players"

 

Kirby Smart, Jimbo Fischer, Nick Saban, etc. I'm sure all make the same exact comments.

 

If a player takes offense to that comment, you can be sure the coach was talking about you. Because the good players on the team should appreciate that the coach wants to improve the roster around them so they can win.

 

And besides, this was during a coaching staff meeting, not the coach standing at the podium saying this to the press... Like with most situations, I think people approach things with far too much emotion.

[BigRedBuster]

3 minutes ago, ActualCornHusker said:

 

If you listen to the context, it wasn't in reference to the current players. The reporter from SI said it was a comment made during a recruiting meeting when Mickey asked if one recruit an assistant was talking about is a day one starter, and then said "We need f-ing players"

 

Kirby Smart, Jimbo Fischer, Nick Saban, etc. I'm sure all make the same exact comments.

 

If a player takes offense to that comment, you can be sure the coach was talking about you. Because the good players on the team should appreciate that the coach wants to improve the roster around them so they can win.

 

And besides, this was during a coaching staff meeting, not the coach standing at the podium saying this to the press... Like with most situations, I think people approach things with far too much emotion.

Every coach's job is to recruit over the players on the team.  If the players don't understand that, that isn't a coach problem.

[Hilltop]

5 minutes ago, ActualCornHusker said:

 

If you listen to the context, it wasn't in reference to the current players. The reporter from SI said it was a comment made during a recruiting meeting when Mickey asked if one recruit an assistant was talking about is a day one starter, and then said "We need f-ing players"

 

Kirby Smart, Jimbo Fischer, Nick Saban, etc. I'm sure all make the same exact comments.

 

If a player takes offense to that comment, you can be sure the coach was talking about you. Because the good players on the team should appreciate that the coach wants to improve the roster around them so they can win.

 

And besides, this was during a coaching staff meeting, not the coach standing at the podium saying this to the press... Like with most situations, I think people approach things with far too much emotion.

I understood from the get go that it was likely taken out of context to generate clicks...  However it still can resonate in a bad way to anyone who doesn't get the context or understand it from that point of view... like 18-22 year old kids sometimes can.  I think this situation is pretty fragile and it wouldn't take much for the team to just fold completely.  

[Lorewarn]

Football players at every college in America understand that their coaches are trying to recruit them out of their positions on the depth chart. Not an issue.

[JJ Husker]

1 hour ago, Hilltop said:

I understood from the get go that it was likely taken out of context to generate clicks...  However it still can resonate in a bad way to anyone who doesn't get the context or understand it from that point of view... like 18-22 year old kids sometimes can.  I think this situation is pretty fragile and it wouldn't take much for the team to just fold completely.  

If that perfectly sensible sound bite is all it takes for the team to “fold” then that makes the statement all the more true. “We need f—cking players”. As BRB said, it’s every coaches job to recruit over what they have. Any player(s) that don’t fully understand that would likely be part of the problem. Although it might be a little tough for them to hear. The thing we’ve been lacking is, it’s also the coaches job to develop the guys they do have and make them better. Any player worth keeping has to understand these things and also that winning is a requirement for everybody involved.

[SouthLincoln Husker]

8 hours ago, Hilltop said:

What message does that send to the current roster?

 

We have quite a few high 3 star and 4 star players wearing the uniform.  I would like to assume they are capable, just lacking in some development.  Shouldn't the message be we need time instead?

Who cares.  Play or move on!

[krc1995]

9 hours ago, Cdog923 said:

 

Wait, that's actually a thing? 

You would think those people should have been dead by now. 

[chainsaw]

To be fair, i think the job is his unless something really goes south.  Too many right moves to dismiss him.   Experienced coaches that someone may want will ask why MJ wasn't given the job. 

Edited October 28, 2022 by Mavric
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[3gunhusker]

Have you been around fluids?

[Husker816]

Yuck

[84HuskerLaw]

Leading ‘the pack’?    What pack?   
 

If all Trev was looking for is somebody to coach the team and grab a couple wins vs Rutgers and Indiana, he could have done that himself.  
 

Mickey has exceeded many expectations and certainly can coach at a level well above Frost.  But Frost got out coached every week by just about everyone.   
 

From the outside looking in, Frost gave the impression for a time that he was really taking the job seriously.  Of course appearances can be misleading.  Hype and spin and zero transparency (secrecy abounded), so fans were kept unaware for so long.  Eventually it became inescapably clear Frost was a great pretender.  Lazy. Inattentive.  Apparently he liked doing everything but being a great fb coach at Nebraska.  
 

Contrast that with MJ - who appears to be very focused, dedicated and serious about the team.  But so does Busch and most of the staff as well.  I wish we would get more assistants for interviews etc.  fans get restless and anxious etc without feedback.  It’s better under MJ as he and Busch especially really say things vs bland generic coach speak.   I do think all the coaches could do a better job of answering questions as teaching moments.  They’re all making top 1% money for a seasonal job.  They have lots of assistants and staff and assistants’ assistants.  Meet and greet and meet the press and reporting as often as the shareholders demand IS the job.  
 

Mickey has done some good things but he can’t ‘earn’ the job under these circumstances.     Nobody could.  The job is building a new football program from scratch basically.  It’s not a remodel. It’s a total build from the ground up.  
 

Looking back it seems clear that Frost starting out 0-6 was like all the bells and whistles and sirens going off at once.  Self destruct.  But while the program disintegrated before all eyes, most refused to believe what they were seeing.  Something was seriously wrong inside.  Not just the Jimmies and Joes. Not just the Xs and Os.  It’s also the AD and Coach.
 

Leadership. Work ethic. Dedication.  Focus. Drive.  Determination.   Respect. Humility.   Delegation with oversight.  Principles.  Confidence and self assurance through success earned through hard work over time.  Maturity.  Honesty.  Being genuine and worthy of respect.  Sharing and caring. 
 

Those and more are traits needed by great leaders.  A great HC is a great leader of men.  I know they’re young men, not boys.  They should try to stop referring to them as kids.  
Treat them as such.  They will respond and act likewise.  
 

After Frost’s firing, it has been remarkable to me that the team (almost to the very last guy) has hardly reacted.  It was obviously expected and even though it came just three weeks into a new season, not a surprise. In fact, more of a relief.   The team needed a new commander to take charge in the coming battles.   Perhaps the team was really not Frost’s team - he’d lost them long before if he ever had them.  It explains so many departures.  
 

Mickey knows (we all do if being honest and realistic), this is a long term war.  No quick fixes. No magic bullets.  A long term vision. A long term plan. Step by step methodical and steady.  The next head coach has to be a true grinder (works 18 hr days for most of the year, every year).  Lives the job.  Works to live not just works to live.  
 

By Thanksgiving, it will be interesting to see how the job suits Mickey and vice versa.  He’s never had to bear that heavy burden.  It wears on everyone.  It’s tough. It’s hard as hell to do. Damned few have the right stuff.   You got to be a teacher, a boss, a general, a publicity manager, a guidance counselor etc.  A PHD in life is a good background.  
 

Mickey may have just the right mix.  We don’t know. Hopefully Trev has the ability to tell.  He’s there. He’s getting to know MJ personally and watch him everyday. He’s seeing how players respond in games and in practice and in life.  It’s little things that give the rest of the story.  
 

Trev is searching for men with the right stuff. He has an army to build not just replace one general. 

[JJ Husker]

How many MJ’s are there?

 

And of course this didn’t belong in the existing 400 page thread……..because this one is special.

[BigRedBuster]

4 hours ago, 84HuskerLaw said:

Leading ‘the pack’?    What pack?   
 

If all Trev was looking for is somebody to coach the team and grab a couple wins vs Rutgers and Indiana, he could have done that himself.  
 

Mickey has exceeded many expectations and certainly can coach at a level well above Frost.  But Frost got out coached every week by just about everyone.   
 

From the outside looking in, Frost gave the impression for a time that he was really taking the job seriously.  Of course appearances can be misleading.  Hype and spin and zero transparency (secrecy abounded), so fans were kept unaware for so long.  Eventually it became inescapably clear Frost was a great pretender.  Lazy. Inattentive.  Apparently he liked doing everything but being a great fb coach at Nebraska.  
 

Contrast that with MJ - who appears to be very focused, dedicated and serious about the team.  But so does Busch and most of the staff as well.  I wish we would get more assistants for interviews etc.  fans get restless and anxious etc without feedback.  It’s better under MJ as he and Busch especially really say things vs bland generic coach speak.   I do think all the coaches could do a better job of answering questions as teaching moments.  They’re all making top 1% money for a seasonal job.  They have lots of assistants and staff and assistants’ assistants.  Meet and greet and meet the press and reporting as often as the shareholders demand IS the job.  
 

Mickey has done some good things but he can’t ‘earn’ the job under these circumstances.     Nobody could.  The job is building a new football program from scratch basically.  It’s not a remodel. It’s a total build from the ground up.  
 

Looking back it seems clear that Frost starting out 0-6 was like all the bells and whistles and sirens going off at once.  Self destruct.  But while the program disintegrated before all eyes, most refused to believe what they were seeing.  Something was seriously wrong inside.  Not just the Jimmies and Joes. Not just the Xs and Os.  It’s also the AD and Coach.
 

Leadership. Work ethic. Dedication.  Focus. Drive.  Determination.   Respect. Humility.   Delegation with oversight.  Principles.  Confidence and self assurance through success earned through hard work over time.  Maturity.  Honesty.  Being genuine and worthy of respect.  Sharing and caring. 
 

Those and more are traits needed by great leaders.  A great HC is a great leader of men.  I know they’re young men, not boys.  They should try to stop referring to them as kids.  
Treat them as such.  They will respond and act likewise.  
 

After Frost’s firing, it has been remarkable to me that the team (almost to the very last guy) has hardly reacted.  It was obviously expected and even though it came just three weeks into a new season, not a surprise. In fact, more of a relief.   The team needed a new commander to take charge in the coming battles.   Perhaps the team was really not Frost’s team - he’d lost them long before if he ever had them.  It explains so many departures.  
 

Mickey knows (we all do if being honest and realistic), this is a long term war.  No quick fixes. No magic bullets.  A long term vision. A long term plan. Step by step methodical and steady.  The next head coach has to be a true grinder (works 18 hr days for most of the year, every year).  Lives the job.  Works to live not just works to live.  
 

By Thanksgiving, it will be interesting to see how the job suits Mickey and vice versa.  He’s never had to bear that heavy burden.  It wears on everyone.  It’s tough. It’s hard as hell to do. Damned few have the right stuff.   You got to be a teacher, a boss, a general, a publicity manager, a guidance counselor etc.  A PHD in life is a good background.  
 

Mickey may have just the right mix.  We don’t know. Hopefully Trev has the ability to tell.  He’s there. He’s getting to know MJ personally and watch him everyday. He’s seeing how players respond in games and in practice and in life.  It’s little things that give the rest of the story.  
 

Trev is searching for men with the right stuff. He has an army to build not just replace one general. 

I didn't quite catch that. Can you elaborate?

[84HuskerLaw]

No. 

[Red Five]